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« on: October 04, 2005, 10:46:10 AM »

I'm trying to build a new PC - problem is, soo much has changed since I last built one and I'm a little confused!

Can someone confirm/deny what I think I've gathered so far?

Intel don't do 64 bit processors yet? (edit: or is that what the Xeons are?!)
Dual processor at eg 3ghz should be faster than a single one at, i dunno, 4ghz - but only in the future when supported more?
Pentium M's are pretty good, but there's only 3 motherboards for desktop systems at the mo. I presume a dual processor would be better still though?
Intel run cooler than AMD in general?

Does this page (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/08/xeon_amd64_fix/) mean that if I wait a bit longer, Intel will finally have an equivalent of an AMD 64 out? Why are they trying to be AMD64 compatible - is there not a standard 64bit processor standard?

I think that's all for now Embarassed If anyone can help me out that'd be great!  Cool

 
« Last Edit: October 04, 2005, 11:15:50 AM by aleco »


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« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2005, 12:31:06 PM »

Intel don't do 64 bit processors yet? (edit: or is that what the Xeons are?!)
I always thought Xeons were more for servers and not really tailored well for general desktop use.

Dual processor at eg 3ghz should be faster than a single one at, i dunno, 4ghz - but only in the future when supported more?
In theory. I have a dual core 64 bit AMD cpu and it's waaaaay faster than my well specced single core cpu machines at home and work.

Sorry cant help with the other questions.

 


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« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2005, 01:47:40 PM »

I'm trying to build a new PC - problem is, soo much has changed since I last built one and I'm a little confused!

Can someone confirm/deny what I think I've gathered so far?

Intel don't do 64 bit processors yet? (edit: or is that what the Xeons are?!)
Dual processor at eg 3ghz should be faster than a single one at, i dunno, 4ghz - but only in the future when supported more?
Pentium M's are pretty good, but there's only 3 motherboards for desktop systems at the mo. I presume a dual processor would be better still though?
Intel run cooler than AMD in general?

Does this page (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/08/xeon_amd64_fix/) mean that if I wait a bit longer, Intel will finally have an equivalent of an AMD 64 out? Why are they trying to be AMD64 compatible - is there not a standard 64bit processor standard?

I think that's all for now Embarassed If anyone can help me out that'd be great!  Cool


Hmm.. anbout the 64bit part, ain't the new windows have the capability on 64bit already? Furthermore, their Visual Studio can compile 64bit apps. But it's a little overkill. Laughing

As for who's running cooler, it's still intel, thought AMD is running cooler than before with their 64bit.

As for dual core, 4gHz don't seems to be in the horizon, but currently, intel and amd seems to be working on functionality rather than speed. Dual core is good, especially you do loads of processing, especially games, pictures, video, programming.

As for speed rating, it's amd following intel's, rather than the other way around. That is why newer amd chip's have similar rating to intel's.

Coorect me if i'm off here.. haha  Very Happy

 


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« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2005, 03:33:58 PM »

I built this machine that i am using to type on right now. Works like a beast... AMD CPU, right now it is running at 32 Celcius, using the stock Heatsink fan it came with. Anyway, I suggest, if you have any queries that cant be answered here, go to www.computerforum.com (http://www.computerforum.com). I am registered there, and it was them that helped me build my first computer  Smile

It is really qiute easy Aleco, nothing hard, you just need to know what stuff is compatibale with the other stuff, and where to plug it all.

 


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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2005, 03:37:11 PM »

Right, so I recon dual core is the way forwards then, I'll ignore the pentium m as a possibility, and wait for intel to bring out the fully amd 64 specced versions Thumbup

Hopefully by that time the next lot of graphics cards will be out, so the current high-end ones will go down to something more affordable than the stupid prices being charged now (more than a cpu for a graphics card?! What's going on!?).

I'm going to watercool it all so ideally need cooler processors to ease the strain, depending on which cooling solution I go for - so recon I'll stick with Intel.

Thanks for the help with the questions, I'll probably have more later though! Laughing

edit: hmm just seen your post Rambo - 32 is pretty cool, I guess if I can't wait I'll jump ship and go AMD if a. intel take too long to get the new chips out, and b. they're waaaay overpriced.

 
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« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2005, 06:04:08 PM »

Have you worked out how much all that stuff is going to cost you?

I planned to build my own monster pc back in August with all top spec stuff. Then I stumbled across a factory built deal that had everything I wanted minus water cooling and I saved about £300.

 


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« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2005, 06:21:20 PM »

Not yet, I've a feeling it's going to be a lot! Sad

I wouldn't really know where to look online for decent quality PCs - last shop I bought one from was Escom (great company imo!), upgraded that, then went to the laptop side for the past 4 years. Built one for my sis, but can't remember how much that cost now...

I'm after some fairly specific stuff though to keep it quiet - Samsung Spinpoint HD, graphics card without the massive fans they come with now, fanless mobo, etc.
If I could get something like that pre-built, I'd much prefer it as don't really have the time to wait around for individual parts which go to the wrong house or 4 days after delivery date, and then assemble it all together - recon it's possible or bit too specific? Confused

This is all because of my last laptop which sounded like a washing machine constantly! My ThinkPad is so amazingly quiet I don't think I can go back to even standard desktop noise from under the desk! Laughing Embarassed

 


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« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2005, 07:08:55 PM »

Well I have heard of some online companies which build the PC's to the hardware you want, if that's what your thinking... By the way, if you wan't to play lots of games on it you really should get an AMD processor. If it is going to be used more for work, and just applications, etc... go the intel way.

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« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2005, 07:16:34 PM »

Only game I own is Half-Life 2...which I can't currently play as laptop not good enough! Laughing Embarassed

Had the game since December...Wacko

Hmm, bah I dunno which processor to go for! I don't think I'll properly get into gaming, but you never know as I've not been able to play any for quite a long time! Laughing

 


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« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2005, 07:27:22 PM »

Well I have heard of some online companies which build the PC's to the hardware you want, if that's what your thinking... By the way, if you wan't to play lots of games on it you really should get an AMD processor. If it is going to be used more for work, and just applications, etc... go the intel way.

Smile
To be honset, any new cpu should easilly cope with any applications that you throw at it. Dual core does makes a difference though I reckon. Sometimes I have 3 different web servers running, photoshop, flash, dreamweaver, iTunes + other stuff, and it makes near bugger all difference to performance. Obviously having plenty of ram helps though Wink

 


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« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2005, 06:18:53 PM »

Right, it's nearly Xmas and I need to get this built in my hols if poss!

I'm having MAJOR problems with connecting to sites at the mo thanks to Pipex breaking Mad So can anyone let me know briefly what the options are in terms of dual core processors (64 bit if poss!)? The first post I linked to an article which said something about new 64bit Intel processors being out this month - any idea if this has happened and what they are called?

Any idea if "Presler" is 64bit? I think the Pentium EE 955 and Pentium D 940 and 950 will be using this core, but can't quite remember and I can't check cos of my net connection Sad

 


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« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2005, 03:17:08 PM »

What I have searched, both Pentium D and EE editions are running on dual-core. So far, read up Xeon is on 64-bit in the main market.

Pentium 630 (3.0Ghz), 640 (3.2Ghz), 650(3.4Ghz), 660 (3.6Ghz) are the non-server 64-bits. http://www.cnet.com/4520-6022_1-5670788.html  Smile

 


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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2005, 05:54:00 PM »

I can't even access that site Sad

Thanks for the info - are the 630/640/etc dual core? (I can't get on Google either...)

 


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« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2005, 04:35:38 PM »

Strange, i can reload that page at my work place. (the link was made at home).

The ones I'd mentioned are the Pentium D edition. And yes, Presler is the code name for the new Intel 64-bits.

 


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« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2005, 05:04:58 PM »

It's just a problem with my connection Sad Been unable to access Google, MSN, and other sites for the past 5 days! Crying or Very sad Just on hold now to Pipex to find out what's gone so wrong

 


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« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2005, 06:56:53 PM »

Argh this is madness! It's so much more complicated to make a new PC compared with 2/3 years ago! Crying or Very sad

Here's where I am currently:

I think I'm going down the AMD route - after holding out hopes for the new Intel processors, I read this (http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/10/10/intel_moves_from_dual_core_to_double_core/page11.html) which said the following about the Intel 900 series:

What the new chip cannot do, however, is pose a real threat right now to AMD's Athlon 64 X2 family in the area of performance leadership. The Pentium D 900 certainly is the much better product when compared to the 800 series, but it mainly introduces a number of improvements that were overdue.

So sounds like the processor I hoped would be an AMD beater...isn't!

Now the only problem is - AMD are due to release new stuff in April 2006 (M2 stuff), which includes DDR2 and I think virtualisation (altho Intel have got that VIIV stuff as part of their new range and DDR2 already).

Do I wait or not??! Confused Crying or Very sad If it was just a speed increase I wouldn't bother waiting, but seeing as it'd be a new socket and DDR2...I'm quite tempted to wait.

Although I still haven't been able to play Half-Life 2 I got a YEAR ago, and want to play a few other new PC games which I won't be able to til I get a desktop.

Which leads me on to my following thoughts:

When the new AMD processors are released in April 06, it's likely they'll be their top of the range stuff - so £600-700? The processor I had my eye on before finding out about an April release was the Athlon 64 X2 4800 2.4Ghz, but that was a shocking £560!! Shocked So decided the 4400 2.2GHz at £360 was more acceptable. But even then, I would only be able to justify spending anywhere near that amount if I knew it was not going to be replaced (in terms of technology, not speed) within the next 6 months.

Therefore, new processors being released = drop in price of the 4400 to something even better, or I could kind of justify spending a bit more on the newer tech.


This leads me on to my next problem (if you're still reading! Embarassed)...

As i'm fairly reluctant to spend close to £400 on something that I know will be outdated in April (I don't care after that as I know it won't be til end of 2006/start of 2007 before the next big changes), I was wondering whether to get a cheapish processor/mobo to last until around May/June, by which time the new AMD stuff should have been out, and the initial price hike should have dropped a tiny bit to something more affordable.
I've been doing some research and it seems that the best value for money at the moment, if I can get hold of one, is part of the Opteron range - for me, probably the 165 as it's a dual core and overclocks well, so i'd get up to about 2.6GHz overclocking it (from 1.8GHz) if I'm able to.

However, if I did that, I'd need DDR ram too, not DDR2, and still end up paying a fair bit, in which case I probably wouldn't end up changing to the new processor when it's released later as a new mobo, cpu and ram is basically a complete gutting!!!  Surprised


Anyway, sorry it's a massive post, just trying to get my thoughts out! Laughing I just need to decide whether to wait or try going cheaper and do my first ever overclocking to get a bargain now!

Edit: unless there's a cheapo Intel mobo/cpu combo with DDR2 support, in which case I won't need to pay for RAM twice, and could probably build a celeron desktop and mobo for just over £100...Confused

 
« Last Edit: December 10, 2005, 07:25:57 PM by aleco »


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« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2005, 08:24:47 AM »

But getting a celeron won't be a good idea as the level 2 cache won't be that as much as the mainstream intel ones. Hmm, i do suggest waiting it out till new year as prices will drop closer to the new release. Back here in SG, DDR2 mobo are out, but waiting for a shortwhile will be better (unless you are still terribly itching to play HL-2).

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« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2005, 06:59:18 PM »

I decided to go for it as couldn't wait any longer!

Went for an AMD Opteron in the end, which I'm planning on overclocking to 2.8Ghz-ish (bit scared to try for 3GHz at the mo!) which should make it up to something around Athlon 64 FX levels, but at a cost of only £100 (instead of something like £700 for the FX)! Thumbup

By the time the new and unlreased dual cores become more reasonably priced, it'll be near to the 2nd half or end of 2006, so I really can't be bothered to wait any more! Laughing

 


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« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2005, 03:43:50 PM »

oo... i see. well, enjoy your new comp then  Very Happy

 


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« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2006, 02:30:20 PM »

My new keyboard has just arrived! Along with the PSU, but unfortuantely I have nothing else yet Sad

Anyway, this is just an excuse to see what this keyboard feels like when typing - certainly feels good and is nice to have a proper full size one instead of the laptop ones i've been using for the past few years!

I've attached some pics of it Smile

Did I mention it glows?! Thumbup

 


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« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2006, 03:30:04 AM »

ohhh a glowing keyboard .... wouldn't green look better? oh yea, been a while since I got on here ... so Happy New Year to everyone!!

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« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2006, 03:27:26 PM »

lol Happy New Year and welcome back! Laughing

I've got a thing about blue, might try and add more to it in terms of lighting when I get my case!

Finally ordered my watercooling kit too! Problem is, I've gone waaaay overbudget in just about every area except the cpu (which is probably the cheapest part of my system!), so not sure I want to add up the costs! Crying or Very sad

Ah well, case and cooling due tomorrow, which just leaves me to decide which graphics card to get, or see if I can hang on til the x1900 is released which will hopefully reduce the price of the current top end cards to something affordable - £470 for a graphics card is a bit extreme quite frankly!! Shocked

 


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« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2006, 04:25:22 AM »

Crying or Very sad Only finished installing the water cooling stuff!! I can't believe it's taken me so long! So very tired...

Looking on the bright side of things tho, i got to watch an entire showing of QuizMania! Hurrah! w00t

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« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2006, 06:26:15 PM »

I'm posting this from my new computer running Windows XP Pro 64-bit Edition! woohoo! Just hope I can find a 64bit driver for my old graphics card i'm using til i get a new one Unsure

 


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« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2006, 11:47:05 PM »

Nice to see you got it working aleco! Very Happy

I tried out the x64 edition, but I just got fed up with the incompatabilities for drivers, etc...

Hope you can finally get around to playing HL2 now!  Laughing

 


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« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2006, 01:00:42 AM »

You're right about drivers being a pain! Had to find a really old one by some random company in order to install the graphics card as new ones didn't work with it for some reason. I guess the card being pretty old doesn't help, but it'll do for now, esp since a new Nvidia has also been announced for March! Thumbup However, i'm not sure this old card will be able to play HL2 so i might still have to wait even longer! Crying or Very sad

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edit from pc: Internet Explorer zooms by in 64bit mode! Surprised I'd gotten used to seemingly faster speeds with FireFox, but this just crushes it!

 
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« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2006, 11:46:24 PM »

my setup has not changed for over a year. newest installation was some fans. wap has a real problem with posting. takes forever.

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« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2006, 10:52:54 PM »

Well I've finally ordered the last major component of my PC...the graphics card!! Laughing Thumbup

Had a real tough time trying to decide between nVidia 7900gt or the ATI 1800xt, similar but different!
- 7900gt runs nice and cool and takes up only one slot instead of two
- 7900gt consumes less power
- 7900gt can be modded to 7900gtx speeds Smile

- 1800xt supports hdr and aa in 32bit mode, whereas the 7900gt doesn't
- 1800xt overclockable via program not via pencil-mod
- 1800xt supposedly ATI have slightly better quality video

I was soo close to getting the 7900gt mainly due to the single-slot and "low" power design, but the fact that it doesn't properly support hdr bugged me slightly. Altho in honesty I probably wouldn't notice or play that many games that support that feature...

But the price drop after the nVidia 7950s, or whatever they're called, never really happened, I just thought it's stupid waiting any longer and took the plunge...on an ATI 1900xt instead! Laughing

Only reason being for £50 more I've got a card that supports all the features at the moment and should better suit the higher res of my monitor, so made more sense in the long run to pay a bit more for a higher performance boost and in the process automatically solved my dilemma of which card to choose! Laughing

Only downside is it's powerhungry and hot, something I've tried to avoid when building my pc, but ah well Sad can't have everything. By the time directx 10 cards are out, they'll be really expensive so I won't be able to buy them anyway, and I'd wait for the 2nd gen of dx10 cards cos there could be bugs seeing as it'll be the first cards of a new tech, so by the time that's out, it'll probably be upgrade time again anyway Rolling Eyes

But look at the size of it Sad
(http://img.ncix.com/images/18883_PV.jpg)

Will eventually hook it up to the watercooling setup, but I think I need ramsinks or something and dunno where to get them from Confused But the backplate will still taken up two slots even tho i won't have the massive fan on it Mad

 
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